“Today we celebrate our Independence Day” (video)

I have to admit, I do enjoy the great TV president speeches, including this one from Bill Pullman in the movie “Independence Day.”


Happy 4th, everyone :)

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33 Responses to ““Today we celebrate our Independence Day” (video)”

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  2. JayRandal says:

    I liked that scene but imagine Obama trying to do something like that. He doesn’t have enough guts.
    Before you all yell at me I disliked Dubya too.

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  5. Colin says:

    Another fav.

  6. Indigo says:

    That’s my all time favorite!

  7. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Good, but I prefer this one from Reagan’s reign: “Jane Wyman was right.”

  8. Hue-Man says:

    I tried to watch Turn on AMC but gave up after the first two episodes. Instead of getting caught up in the Spy vs. Spy drama, I couldn’t leave the civil war aspect of the story and how difficult it would have been to live through the conflict and uncertainty. With 20/20 hindsight, it’s obvious but my understanding of the battles and events is it was a pretty close call, with a lot of help from England’s enemies.

    Here’s my favorite Independence Day headline: “Why America Owes Its Existence and Military to a Gay Man” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nicholas-ferroni/american-military-history_b_1606530.html

    Happy 4th.

  9. Elijah Shalis says:

    That movie was cheesey but I love it.

  10. Colin says:

    Here’s hoping that everyone has a great Independence Day. The freedoms that so many gave so much for are still being fought over. Though the battles many of us have won are sweet , we must never take for granted those precious rights or forget the struggles or the heartbreak that bought them.
    Hold one another a bit closer , a bit tighter today and if you are able have pity on those poor souls who would deny us so much yet rend their garments with indignation if you were to question their love of freedom. My love is constant and goes out to you all. So rest today and breath deeply the air of freedom but remember that the clock still moves and tomorrow is another day. Pappyvet

  11. Colin says:

    One of my favorites. Says it all really.


  12. Indigo says:

    It won’t take “a pair of countries” because the conflict is over the poison and pollution, the exploitation and the repression, it’s more likely to start out as class conflict, then escalate into national conflict. But my larger point is that the whole concept of nations is already obsolete, it’s the corporations we’ve got to watch out for and whatever minion-nations they hire to do their bidding.

  13. Indigo says:

    The spoils of that conflict are likely to be spoiled.

  14. Indigo says:

    It surprised me that France kow-towed so easily. Spain and Portugal, not so much. They’re bankrupt.

  15. karmanot says:

    Imperialism has a new name: Corporatism. It is trans national now. One only has to look at the Snowden affair to realize the ‘imperial’ power of Washington. Obama had France, Spain , Portugal licking his hand and stopping in transit the flight of the President of Boliva. Europe has become a bunch of spineless lap dogs.

  16. BeccaM says:

    Strangelove remains one of my favorite movies of all time. I had a similar reaction to FMJ, thought it was decent, but not that great. I tried to watch Eyes Wide Shut, but literally couldn’t stay with it long enough to care.

  17. FLL says:

    I suppose satellite monitoring is an inevitable result of advancing technology. The most well known system is run by the European Union, but the U.S., Russia, China, etc certainly have their own up and running. This is why the case of Edward Snowden is so fascinating. If he can find a permanent, safe home, it opens the door for others to challenge the information-gathering ability of world powers.

    Concerning your mention of “coming global conflict”… that sounds kind of apocalyptic. Are there really a pair of countries that would take their conflicting interests to the point of global war?

  18. zorbear says:

    Well…as long as we win!

  19. Indigo says:

    I’m not sure imperialism has retreated although you make a good case for that concept. It seems to me a matter of redefining itself. We can direct drones into Pakistan without occupying Pakistan, we can monitor situations globally without our physical presence thanks to the Global Monitoring Satellite System which is almost entirely in place now, and we can move even faster and more decisively now than we could in the 1970s. The coming global conflict is likely to be devastating to everyone but I think we’ll emerge the Planetary Hegemon due to our stockpiles, our satellite monitoring systems, our drones, and our will-to-dominate. It won’t be pretty but we’ll be the tattered victor. We will, of course, have to get a firmer grip on the EU but I think we can do that. Note that I’m not talking about what we should do or what is good, right, just and decent for the planet; I’m talking about the reality of our global aggressiveness and disdain for the hopes and ideas of others.

  20. Indigo says:

    I suspect we’re past that and handing government over to the plutocracy which has already authorized a police state under the guise of the Patriot Act. That won’t be revoked any time soon because the committees authorized under that act don’t want to loose their powers. As far as I’m concerned, it’s just a matter of observing the niceties of yesteryear at this point.

  21. cole3244 says:

    yea, all our prospective heros are too intelligent to enter politics and they just tease us with what could be.

  22. Monoceros Forth says:

    I remember seeing this for the first time on a big screen. Kubrick had a long career full of great movies, at least up to The Shining (I can’t quite call Full Metal Jacket great and the less said about Eyes Wide Shut the better), but I don’t think he ever made a film better than Dr. Strangelove in which it is difficult to find any flaws at all.

  23. FLL says:

    I’ll give you both agreement and consolation since you mention both imperialism and police state. I’ll agree with you that the police state has grown, particularly since 9/11/2001. I think the Patriot Act is the lynchpin that props up the new police-state powers. But the Patriot Act is only a law passed by Congress, right? So the push should be to repeal that law.

    As far as imperialism, I have to offer you consolation rather than agreement. American imperialism was at it’s height during the Johnson-Nixon era: Vietnam, the Shah’s regime in Iran, and many, many American-supported regimes in Latin America. Today, all that is gone. Not just Vietnam and Iran. Look at former American-supported regimes in the 1970s, like Ecuador, Venezuela and Bolivia. Today, those are exactly the countries that Edward Snowden is considering for asylum. Quite a turnaround in Latin America, no? Sorry to disagree with you on the imperialism part, but I actually think American imperialism has receded since the 1960s—1970s. That part is consolation for the very real threat of NSA domestic surveillance and other creepy results of the Patriot Act, which I think should be the real focus.

  24. Monoceros Forth says:

    Whatever. It’s still a great scene.

  25. I’ll always remember the mugs they were selling here in DC during the reign of Bush II: “Don’t blame me, I voted for Martin Sheen.”

  26. karmanot says:

    There are those of us who will be hard pressed to explain to great grandchildren that our empire police state is really a democracy. As I get older this day becomes more sadder.

  27. FLL says:

    “an American propaganda film designed to whip up support for the war.”

    You’re talking about whipping up American public support for entering WWII, which you make sound like a negative thing. Many progressives, both in the 1940s and now, criticize the U.S. for not having entered the war against Nazi Germany sooner. Both criticisms cannot be correct at the same time. So which criticism is correct and which is incorrect?

  28. BeccaM says:

    Then there’s this classic…


  29. nicho says:

    Well, Casablanca was, first and foremost, an American propaganda film designed to whip up support for the war. All of these things people see as “patriotism” are artifacts in that propaganda.

  30. cole3244 says:

    it seems movies are the only place i get a feeling of pride in the country i once fought for, reality can’t get it done, very sad indeed.

  31. FLL says:

    John offers one example of a country being a beacon of freedom (from the link above), and Monceros Forth offers a second example (from the link below). The two examples are closely connected. The two 18th-century revolutions, the American and the French, changed the course of world history more than anything else. What the two events have in common is a focus on individual liberty, and that focus has become a permanent part of world culture. You can see this in their mottoes and founding documents: “All men are created equal” (American Revolution); “Liberty, equality, brotherhood” (French Revolution).

    It’s a shame that a single exceptional individual cannot make his country a beacon of freedom by sheer force of will. Peter the Great (who was thoroughly queer) transformed Russia from medieval mud into something a little more modern. Brilliant though he was, he still couldn’t rise above the raw material that he was working with. Only a nation of people can become a beacon of freedom. For their influence on human freedom, the world owes a huge debt to the American and French revolutions.

  32. Monoceros Forth says:

    There is a scene more intensely patriotic than any other I’ve ever seen in American cinema, capable of moving even me. But it’s not American patriotism on display really:


  33. Indigo says:

    Happy Independence Day to all!

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